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Systemic Modelling: First Impressions

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Sarah Baca and John Barratt are two of our Systemic Modelling students who also share a passion for Agile Coaching. In a move to bring these two passions together and look for the synergies between the two, they have started a YouTube channel and podcast series called "Clean at Work." 

So far, they have created 6 episodes:

  1. What difference has Systemic Modelling made to you?
  2. What is Systemic Modelling?
  3. Journey to Level 1 with Jackie Lawlor
  4. Becoming a Level 2 Systemic Modeller - with Svetlana Shapovaliants
  5. Systemic Modelling First Impressions - with Paulo Dias
  6. Agile and Clean Language, Past Present & Future - with Andrea Chiou

All the episodes are worth watching - and I'm sharing episode 5 because this is the first one I watched when John sent me the link in an email. In it, he chats with coach Paulo Dias about his experience of our Clean for Teams workshop, which he took with Jacqueline Ann Surin and Sarah Scarratt late last year. 

Paulo says that sees Clean Language as a continuation of his journey to learning what true coaching is:

For me it's like: Stop leading, stop trying to socialise, stop telling people what to do. Stop being violent in your language. And Clean Language is excellent for that. Instead of being violent, and telling people they should do this or that, ask them "What do you think?" and "What would you like to have happen?" Powerful questioning is really important, so you can understand what they actually need.

And when asked by John what advice he has for others who may be getting interested in Clean Language, Paulo says:

If you are interested in Clean Language, maybe watch a couple of demos on on YouTube or something about clean modelling, clean coaching or clean conversations and see what difference it makes. But if you decide to join a training, then be completely open and committed, and it will change your life.


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About Marian Way

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A highly skilled facilitator and trainer, Marian, who founded Clean Learning in 2001, has developed and delivered training across the world. She is the author of Clean Approaches for Coaches, co-author, with James Lawley, of Insights in Space and co-author, with Caitlin Walker, of So you want to be… #DramaFree.

Marian is an expert Clean facilitator, an adept modeller, a programme writer and an inspirational trainer. She has a natural ability to model existing structures, find the connections between them and design new ways for people to learn. Marian was a leading innovator within the Weight Watchers organisation, which included developing the “points” strategy, a local idea that went on to become a global innovation. She is a director of both Clean Learning and Training Attention CIC, world leaders in clean applications for corporate, educational and community development. She designs our programmes and workbooks, leads workshops and teaches on all our courses. She’s trained people in Great Britain, Russia, Sweden, Germany, Australia, Japan and the USA. Marian is also a recognised Clean Assessor.


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